Fisher Wireless TeamTalk - Motorola Capacity Max System (Network S9) - Site Info - FCC Info

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Fisher Wireless TeamTalk - Motorola Capacity Max System (Network S9) - Site Info - FCC Info

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Fisher Wireless - Motorola Capacity Max System (Network S9)

New system being built in 2022/2023.

Some notes on this page
451.72500cc, DMR Tier III(MOT), color code 3, site S9-2 - Location: Mt Woodson?
454.13125cc, DMR Tier III(MOT), color code 3, site S9-3 - Location: Mt Otay?
https://forums.radioreference.com/threa ... s9.445638/


Notes will be added soon as more sites comes on the air.

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Re: Fisher Wireless - Motorola Capacity Max System (Network S9)

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Otay Site Notes:
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Mt Soledad Site 2 Notes:

451.7250 - DCC:3 - TIII (MOT) , Site:S9-2 (Site:2) , RAS , NL: 1 , 3 , 4 - Control Channel
Current network: S9
Current site: S9-2
S9-2 neighbor: Site S9-1; CC=1
S9-2 neighbor: Site S9-3; CC=63
S9-2 neighbor: Site S9-4; CC=1
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Re: Fisher Wireless - Motorola Capacity Max System (Network S9)

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Mt Woodson Site 3 Notes:

454.13125 - DCC:3 - TIII (MOT) , Site:S9-3 (Site:3) , RAS , NL: 1 , 2 , 4 - Control Channel
Current network: S9
Current site: S9-3
S9-3 neighbor: Site S9-1; CC=1
S9-3 neighbor: Site S9-2; CC=43
S9-3 neighbor: Site S9-4; CC=1
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Re: Fisher Wireless - Motorola Capacity Max System (Network S9)

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Palomar Mtn? Site Notes:

454.11875 - TIII , DCC:3 , S9 , Site:4 , RAS - Control Channel - LCN:5?, LCN:12?,
Current network: S9
Current site: S9-4

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454.54375 - TIII , DCC:3 , S9 , Site:4 , RAS - Control Channel
Current network: S9
Current site: S9-4
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Whitney Peak (San Marcos) Site Notes:
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Re: Fisher Wireless - Motorola Capacity Max System (Network S9)

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FCC Info:

Licensee: Fisher Wireless Services
FCC Search FRN: 0003944527 - (FCC Link)
FCC Search Pending Facilities only - (New,Renewal Only,Modification,Amendment) - (FCC Link)
FCC Updates after December 1, 2021 - (FCC Link)
RRDB FRN: https://www.radioreference.com/db/fcc/frn/0003944527
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Re: Fisher Wireless TeamTalk - Motorola Capacity Max System (Network S9) - Site Info - FCC Info

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Fisher Wireless - FCC Licenses
Radio Service: YG - Industrial/Business Pool, Trunked.
Radio Service: IG: Industrial/Business Pool, Conventional.

Fisher Wireless - FCC Grants Lookup
https://dmr-systems.blogspot.com/p/fish ... ookup.html

Fisher Wireless - FCC Grants Southern California
https://dmr-systems.blogspot.com/p/fish ... socal.html

Fisher Wireless - FCC Grants Northern California
https://dmr-systems.blogspot.com/p/fish ... orcal.html

Fisher Wireless - FCC Grants Arizona
https://dmr-systems.blogspot.com/p/fish ... izona.html

Fisher Wireless - FCC Grants Nevada
https://dmr-systems.blogspot.com/p/fish ... evada.html

Fisher Wireless - FCC Grants 454MHz and Microwave Licenses
https://dmr-systems.blogspot.com/p/fish ... 54mhz.html

Fisher Wireless - FCC Grants 800MHz
https://dmr-systems.blogspot.com/p/fish ... 00mhz.html
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Re: Fisher Wireless TeamTalk - Motorola Capacity Max System (Network S9) - Site Info - FCC Info

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I was thinking S9-3 may be Mt Otay and not Mt Woodson based on signal stregnth, even though site 119-3 is Mt Woodson on the Connect Plus system and site 119-1 is Mt Otay on the Connect Plus system.

Here are the receiver signal strength values from my location:

-88 dBm -- 454.13125: Site S9-3 control channel (Capacity Max) CC 3
-87 dBm -- 454.04375: Site 119-1 (Mt Otay) control channel (Connect+) CC 3
-98 dBm -- 454.53125: Site 119-3 (Mt Woodson) control channel (Connect+) CC 3

However it's possible that if S9-3 is on Mt Woodson, maybe they moved the new antenna or boosted the power from where the 119-3 antenna is. A good tie breaker would be to travel somewhere in view of Mt Woodson but not Mt Otay to double check.

EDIT: I'm now fairly convinced S9-3 is Mt Woodson like Brian says above. I re-ran DSD+ on the Connect Plus Mt Woodson site and Ch 11/12 454.13125 and Ch 13/14 454.01875 are both missing. Therefore I think the repeaters for those two frequencies have been moved to the Capacity Max rack and repurposed to the new system at the same site.

Latest DSD+ Logs for the Capacity Max System:

Site S9-3:

Ch 63 - 454.13125 cc, DCC: 3

TIII (MOT), Site: S9-3, RAS, Neighbor List: 1, 2, 4

S9-3 neighbor: Site S9-1; CC=1 (?)
S9-3 neighbor: Site S9-4; CC=1 (Palomar Mtn)
S9-3 neighbor: Site S9-2; CC=43 (Mt Soledad, 451.725)

Channel "Ch" in DSD+ is called "Logical Slot Number" on RR, as there are two Ch numbers per frequency, one for each TDMA slot.

Note also that the neighbor list remained static for a while at NL: 1, 2, 4, then the following happened:

21:05:08 S9-3 neighbor: Site S9-2; CC=45
21:05:10 S9-3 neighbor: Site S9-2; CC=43 (451.725)
21:11:03 S9-3 neighbor: Site S9-2; CC=45
21:11:05 S9-3 neighbor: Site S9-2; CC=43 (451.725)
21:11:16 S9-3 neighbor: Site S9-2; CC=45
21:11:20 S9-3 neighbor: Site S9-2; CC=43 (451.725)
21:24:06 S9-3 neighbor: Site S9-2; CC=45
21:24:11 S9-3 neighbor: Site S9-2; CC=43 (451.725)

I'm not sure if the alternating control channel at site 2 is due to bad decodes on my end or if it's real, but then a new site appeared in the neighbor list as well:

21:26:25 "Blocking network ID change from 9 to 132"
21:26:25 S9-3 neighbor: Site S9-8, CC=397
21:38:08 S9-3 neighbor: Site S9-2; CC=45
21:38:12 S9-3 neighbor: Site S9-2; CC=43 (451.725)

I'm suspicious whether I caught the system while changes were being made, or whether the network ID change S9-8 with control channel on Ch 397 are due to bad decodes (especially since they happened at the same timestamp).

Site S9-4:

I haven't been able to run DSD+ on this one yet, but I agree it's Palomar Mtn. Also based on neighbor list logs, Ch 1 is likely 454.54375.
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Re: Fisher Wireless TeamTalk - Motorola Capacity Max System (Network S9) - Site Info - FCC Info

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To correct my post from January,

Site 2 is definitely Mt Soledad.
Site 3 is definitely Mt Woodson (not Mt Otay in my previous post, sorry!).
Site 4 is definitely Palomar Mountain.

No indication of a Whitney Peak site or Mt Otay site being online yet.

Still no indication of where S9-1 might be - perhaps it’s on a rack in their shop connected to a dummy load and that’s why we can’t find it… :D

Anybody catch any talkgroups or any signs of life?
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